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There was a topic already on here about this, but for some reason I can't find it. Maybe it's because I'm so pissed off right now...

Anyhoo - I went to ICBC to renew by drivers license yesterday (it expires on my birthday on Sunday). For some strange reason I never got a reminder in the mail (you're supposed to get one about 6 weeks before it expires), however I figured I'd better do it so I went to Richmond ICBC. Stupid me thought that I could just hand over my old license, pay the $75 & walk away with a brand new 5 year one - but noooooo, because my work permit expires in less than 6 months they told me I have to show proof that I am still here legally. Of course I didn't have my passport with me (because I use my BC license for ID), so they sent me on my way.

Today I went back - passport in hand - only to be told that yes, I can renew my license & yes, it will cost me $75 - but because my work permit expires in less than 6 months, I can only get an interim (read: 2 months) license. This means that if it takes me longer than 2 months from now to get my work permit extended, I'll have to go back & get *another* 2 months license - & so on... Apparently ICBC believes that if you are no longer legally in the country, you automatically are no longer capable of driving (huh?).

Also, because my BC license was my only form of photo ID other than my passport, I'll now have to carry my passport with me everywhere I go in case I need photo ID for anything (like getting on a plane - which I do quite a lot). What a stupid bunch of idiots the policy-makers at ICBC (or whichever govt department it was that made this rule) are. Talk about making things as difficult as possible. The really, really, really stupid thing is that if I'd renewed my license 3 months ago, I would have gotten a 5 year one because it would have been more than 6 months until my work permit expires (huh? again).

Just thought I'd post this as a word of warning to the unwary...


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Sounds like an absolute pain in the ass! You made me drag mine out to check the expiry... still got a bit less than a year to go.

Actually, come to think, perhaps you dealt with different valued ICBC employees than I did? My previous work permit expired in April, so I assume that going by the logic you were told, my license should have expired then too... But it goes through to March 2011, and I certainly didn't have my new permit when I got my BC license. Could be worth trying a different person/ICBC?


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No Jared - it's weird. Your license expiry isn't tied to the expiry of your work permit - the first photo license you get is good for up to 2 years & expires on your birthday in the 2nd year. If it so happens that you go to renew your license within 6 months of the expiry of your work permit, then you only get 2 month interim licenses until you either leave the country permanently or you renew your work permit. If you renew more than 6 months before the expiry of your work permit then you get a 5 year photo license. Their logic is that people somehow use their photo license as proof that they are in the country legally (wtf?). If the immigration system is so screwed that they can do that, then I think they have bigger problems than making sure illegals don't have a drivers license...


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Ah, interesting... and still a pain in the ass.


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Hey guys and fellow canaussie people.

I have a bit of a problem. Wondering if you guys can help me out.

I've been in Vancouver for over 90days and I finally found a job this week. However I need my B.C drivers licence(which i didn't get yet) for this job.

The new licencing rules from the 29th of June apparently means I can trade my NSW licence for a B.C one just by doing a straight swap. So long as I have had a licence for more than 2years that is not a "learners".

Actual wording from ICBC website
Two years’ driving experience
"To be eligible for a full-privilege B.C. driver’s licence, you must have held a driver’s licence (not a learner’s) for at least two years."

Notice the bolded words.

So my problems are.

1. I've stayed over 90days.

2. I have had my NSW Full licence for less than 2years (Since April 2009), but have been off my Learners since 2005. 1.5 years P1 (red's),2+years  P2(greens), and 1+yr Full licence.

3. I don't have proof of the dates of when i got any licence. NSW only has expiry dates on licences.


So i'm wondering how to answer these problems.

1. Can i leave Canada for a day and come back and the 90day limit be reset? I'm thinking going over the border will be easy enough.
I'm not sure though if this would reset that 90day limit, i'm worried its actually 90days from the day you first land in canada with a work permit. Which would be bulls***. Cause I would need to start over on a learner's licence (to which i say hell no ty)

2. If i was able to get the 90day limit waived off or reset, will they only give me a Novice licence because i've only had my full NSW licence for less than 2years?
Do i have ground to say I deserve the full B.C licence, because technically the website states that I only need to be off my "learners" for 2years. for which i would have needed at least 3years to even get my full nsw licence?

3. I know that I can goto the RTA website and pay $20 for my driving history, but wouldn't showing them my P2 Licence plus Full licence be good enough? So long as i bring a print out from the NSW RTA website , which states that you need minimum 1year on P1 and 2years on P2. Which means that even if i've only had my full licence for 1day, i've still cleared the ICBC minimum of 2years on a licence that is not your learners.

I don't see why common sense would not prevail and them realising that i'm clearly over the 2years post learners licence limit.

But hopefully someone who might have an idea or has experience within the last week the new rules can answer one of the questions in this post.

Sorry for the blabbing and thanks in advance guys.


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Hey mate,

I would suggest that getting your drivers history here would be useful, as they're sticklers when it comes to the experience part. I could only get my full license as I carry my *old* (as in, expired in 2001) license around, and then only because it was a P plate one that had conditions which expired after one and two years, so they counted those conditions as evidence of me having the license for longer than two years. They couldn't count the fact that there was 9 years or so between the license expiry dates or whatever.

Once you have some evidence of the length of time you were on your P's, then you'll be apples. They stipulate time on learners is not counted, but time on your P's is certainly counted, otherwise using the example above (however this was when I had to do a test) I would have had to get my N's.

The 90 day limit... well, they trust what you tell them. It's not like they can prove otherwise. For example, when I went to do the written test to get my license the first time I told them when I had first arrived in the country. after doing the test they were not going to give my license back as I had been in the country longer than 90 days. I asked if there was ANY WAY I could get it back, and they said, "well, have you been out of the country recently?" I'd been on a work trip to the US the week before. I said that and they said, "why didn't you say that in the first place" and just gave me my Aussie drivers license back. I was stunned.

So head in tomorrow to an ICBC, get your license, get your job. Do it! And let us know how you go smile


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sounds good Jared, looks promising lol.


I've noticed they actually say "from when you move to B.C"

So really, can't i just say I travelled around canada for the first 2-3months, and now i've decided to live in B.C after seeing a few different areas of Canada.
I mean just because everyone from australia pretty much lands in Vancouver first doesn't mean they have to live here right.

There's no proof of me living in Vancouver, no rent (i live with cousin), no job, no MSP(yet). Hopefully they don't have to make me go over the border for this, but if they did, its such a small thing i wouldn't really mind, just it would put my licence back another day lol.


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Hey guys,

back from the licence place.

bad news....

they didn't think that my full licence was proof that i'd been driving for over 2years.
Even though they acknowledged that it takes me 3years to get my full licence (she was like oh yeah it takes 2years on novice here for full licence, so similar), they still can't see "proof"because there is no starting date on nsw licence's only expirys.

I showed them my L's, my P2's and my full licence.

She then said when i come back, i must present a certified copy (in its original envelope - un-opened, not a faxed, or online print out of my driving history.
To which smiled and  said ok, thank you, (while thinking this is the most ridiculous person ever)

I then showed her a printout from the RTA website showing you must spend 1yr on P1, 2yrs on P2, before your full licence, she wouldn't have any of it. She went to the boss, and boss said same thing.


its pretty funny because on their website, nothing says of "certified copy" or whatnot.
I would think a licence that takes 3years to get would be more than enough.

"If you cannot provide proof of two years’ driving experience, you can still get a B.C. licence. However, you will have to go through our graduated licensing program."
How does that translate to "need certified in envelope, un-opened driving history"
heck it doesn't even say driving history, just says proof.

so frustrating far out LOL.


so im gonna do the online printout of my history from the rta website and goto a different branch and see if i get any luck 2morow.

hey jared, do you know wat type of proof your friend did from your updated article.

"Surrendered Aus licence, "provided licence history" showing I have had a full licence for more than 2 years." what type was this? certified or online copy? cheers


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Yeah, that's the sucky thing about ICBC. Unless you have solid government proof of how long you've had your license, they won't believe what you tell them. I lucked out in that I had a couple of folks willing to work things out based on my previous license, but you're best off getting a print out from the RTA, like you said, and see if you can get someone a little less anal.

Oli (the guy from the site) had a print out I think, but I'll check with him.

I'm sure because this is a new thing there's probably a bunch of confusion on the ICBC side now for the mushrooms, so they'll probably be doing it by the book.


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Update:

I got my BC Licence!!! woooooo


Jared, just to let you know they will only allow the swap if your driving history is CERTIFIED. So my driving history that I paid $19 for online to print would have been useless for anyone else.

I did however still manage to get my licence using the online copy. I'm not sure if they will ever do it again but I was lucky i had some connections in ICBC and was able to get it lol. (can't post on here how i got it, jsut incase)

So I ended up giving them all my licences ( Full, L's, P's - not sure why they wanted to keep my L's and P's but they did, I didnt complain lol)


Also some other good news to whoever has followed my struggle in this city.
I finally got a job with ICBC auto insurance (stoked!!) That is unless I can't get my background check completed for some reason (shouldn't be a problem)
Amazing how a little connection can land you a job you didn't even think about after looking for a job for 4 months now.

Funny how it worked out. I tried to get my licence for a driving related job, and ended up getting another (better) job offered to me, that pays more, is only 300metres from my house and with the government. Lets hope my luck doesn't stop in Vancouver now lol.


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Congrats on landing the job!

I just got my full NSW licence the other day (no more P plates!), at the same time I asked for my driving record which they said I could only get off the net. So am I right in saying if I go here:

https://ols2.rta.nsw.gov.au/clenq/index.jsp

to print my driving record (I have to get the certified copy though?) and I bring that to Canada along with my NSW licence I'll be right getting a BC licence?

Anyone know why I have to give them my full licence as well? Do I get it back when I leave?


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Good work on the job Hustler! And for the government too... you're set for life now!

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Jared, just to let you know they will only allow the swap if your driving history is CERTIFIED. So my driving history that I paid $19 for online to print would have been useless for anyone else.
That's interesting really, as from what Jake says you can only download your licence transcript from the net after paying $19 (what a rip!) and that certainly isn't a certified copy. I wonder if you'd have to download it then take it back into the RTA to get them to certify it?

That is a pain in the ass! Of course, thats for NSW only, other states may be different too... from memory in Tasmania we went into Service Tas and they printed it out and stamped it for us there and then.

Congrats on getting your full license too Jake, btw! You won't get your licenses back at all. But they're just the effigy of your license you carry with you, so you can always get another one when you return home by just rocking into the RTA and telling them you lost it or the whole story and requesting a new one. I assume they take it off you so that you don't drive on it? Not sure...


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They told me what they do is send the licence back to the RTA. So they don't actually keep it so you can get it back after you're done with the B.C licence.

A print out from the net might be good enough but I wouldn't chance it.

Best to choose this one "Certified driving record    A certified copy of your driving record will be posted to the NSW mailing address recorded with the RTA within 7 days. *"

Other than that you're set.

gratz on the full licence!


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Cheers guys


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Oh one more thing, I just ordered my certified driving record from the RTA (hopefully it gets here before I leave lol!). I should just keep it in the envelope and not open it? I hope it has my P1 and P2 licence history in it then!


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Jake wrote:

Oh one more thing, I just ordered my certified driving record from the RTA (hopefully it gets here before I leave lol!). I should just keep it in the envelope and not open it? I hope it has my P1 and P2 licence history in it then!
From what someone said, sounds like you're best off keeping it in the letter. Hold it up to light? wink


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is there a reason why you can't just use an international drivers license rather than getting a BC license? sounds like a lot of trouble!


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i thought getting the international drivers license was just as troublesome, and thats why people tend to just use the local licenses if they can.

I think right now though, it would still be easier to just get the driving history from the RTA and give that to them along with your current license to swap with.


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Unfortunately international drivers licenses aren't really worth the cheap paper they're printed on... actually, do they still do it that way? I got one when I first came away and it was a folded cardboard thing with my picture glued into it and some details.

Over here they want to keep proper tabs on you, and ICBC will get very sticky if you haven't got a local license and will be here for longer than three months. I've also heard that if you get pulled over and you've been here longer than three months they can get narky too. Wouldn't help your chances!

Plus, who wouldn't want to get a foreign license?!  big_smile


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I just got my certified copy of my driving history sent to me in the mail from the RTA NSW website. It was $26 which I thought was a bit steep. Before ordering this, I asked the RTA worker on the phone if I could get a print out of the driving history which is cheaper at $19 and get that certified by a JP. She said she gets a lot of phone calls from Canada about this. She said it would be better for me to order the certified copy... On the bottom of the driving history it does has have a little certified statement signed by an authorised official from RTA which makes it all official. So this is just a heads up for those who don't know whether to print out the history or get the certified copy.


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Still trying to figure out how to get the ACT equivalent. I must say it's a pretty inconvenient policy by ICBC but I'll have to deal haha.


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